
Yoga Isn't Enough
Jonah Kest sits with Ido Portal to ask the question a third-generation yoga teacher isn't supposed to ask. What's beyond the mat.
For the first episode of this podcast, I wanted to sit with someone who would push back. Not nod along. Ido Portal walked in and the room got honest fast.
Why start here
I grew up in yoga. Third generation. My grandparents practiced. My father taught. The mat is the room I learned to breathe in. So why open this whole thing with a guy who's famous for saying yoga alone isn't enough?
Because I think he's right. And I think most yoga teachers are too scared to admit it.
Asana is eastern calisthenics. Beautiful. Useful. Necessary, even. But it's one shape in a much bigger field of movement. And the field is what we forget when we get good at the shape.
I feel like not having a routine allows you to be fully present and just kind of go with the flow of life.
— Ido Portal
That sentence landed differently than I expected. I've spent twenty years building routine. Disciplined practice. Same time, same mat, same sequence. And here's Ido telling me presence might live on the other side of all that.
I didn't argue. I sat with it. That's the gift of a good conversation. Someone says the thing you've been avoiding and you don't have a comeback ready.
And honestly — Ido isn't anti-yoga. He's anti-rigidity. He's pro-body. He came up through capoeira and movement systems most yogis have never touched. When he says routine flattens presence, he's not pointing at yoga specifically. He's pointing at any practice that's stopped asking questions.
Discipline and chaos
I'm not throwing out discipline. Discipline creates freedom. That's still true.
But discipline can also become a cage. You can hide inside your routine. You can stop noticing what your body actually needs because you've already decided. That's not practice. That's performance with extra steps.
What Ido does — the play, the chaos, the unstructured movement — it scared me at first. Then it cracked something open. The mat is one doorway. Crawling on the floor with no agenda is another. Climbing a tree is another. The breath doesn't care about the shape you're in. It just shows up wherever you are.
Three generations of Kests practiced in studios. I think the next generation practices in the world.
The body has more than one language
One thing Ido kept coming back to. The body knows things the mind doesn't have words for. When you only train one vocabulary — let's say Vinyasa, sun salutations, the same fifty postures over and over — the body becomes fluent in that vocabulary and mute in every other.
That's not a yoga problem. That's a movement problem. The body was built for hanging, climbing, throwing, catching, crawling, rolling, jumping. We sit on the same mat. We do the same shapes. Then we wonder why our shoulders ache and our hips lock up and our nervous systems can't handle a Tuesday.
I think the future of yoga teacher training has to widen. Not abandon asana. Add to it. Keep Patanjali. Keep the lineage. Keep the breath at the center. But let the body explore the rest of its grammar too. That's what this conversation cracked open for me.
What I'm still chewing on
Here's the part I haven't worked out yet. Ido lives without a fixed routine. I live with one. I get up before sunrise. I sit. I move. I work. I'm with my son. Each thing in its place.
I'm not sure he's wrong and I'm not sure I am either. Maybe the answer is what I've always come back to. Discipline creates freedom — until it doesn't. The skill is knowing when your routine is serving you and when you're serving your routine. Both directions matter. The trap is forgetting which one you're in.
That's why I wanted to open this podcast with someone who'd challenge me. Not someone to agree with. Someone who would make me check my own grip on the wheel. The conversations I want to keep having are the ones where I leave thinking differently than I came in. That's the bar for everything we'll do here.
What to take to the mat
- Move in one direction your body hasn't moved in this week. Crawl. Hang. Roll. No sequence.
- Drop one rep from your morning ritual. See what shows up in the space it leaves.
- Practice somewhere that isn't your studio. Carpet. Grass. Floor of a hotel room.
Episode markers
- 00:00 — Why this conversation, why first [needs verification]
- 08:15 — Ido on the limits of pattern [needs verification]
- 22:40 — Asana as eastern calisthenics [needs verification]
- 41:10 — Routine vs. presence [needs verification]
- 58:30 — Play, chaos, and the body's intelligence [needs verification]
- 1:12:00 — Closing reflections [needs verification]
Yoga isn't enough. That's not a problem. That's the doorway.







